Add and Rename Marker as Default

One example: Move to Collection > New Collection > It automatically enters renaming mode so you can properly organize your collections. It's the same logic for organization. If you're creating a maker to save info on the timeline you'd probably want to name it properly.

I do agree Markers could be much improved. So many possibilities!

@-L0Lock- I'm going to be honest here, I have no clue what's going on here. Maybe we're using different versions (I'm on 3.5.0) or maybe one of us has an addon enabled that changes things, but I don't see any of the quirks you mentioned. I just tested, and in my blender:

Markers are selected on creation. Clicking a marker doesn't deselect keyframes. I can select multiple markers with shift click or b to box select. Renaming them is F2 which is the normal shortcut.

Maybe I enabled something in the settings? I don't remember changing any settings that would affect this though...

One example: Move to Collection > New Collection > It automatically enters renaming mode so you can properly organize your collections.

Huh interesting, I've not created a collection this way for a long time, I just make new collections from the outliner and then move stuff around.
Though that sounds like a special case here, we are not just creating a new data block, we are moving data to an non-existing data bloc. I guess it makes more sense here to avoid moving stuff to an "unknown" collection.
But thinking more about it we also have the possibility to give a name to a new image data bloc, though I suspect the reason is mostly because we also have lots of other options to chose as well.

Markers are selected on creation. Clicking a marker doesn't deselect keyframes. I can select multiple markers with shift click or b to box select. Renaming them is F2 which is the normal shortcut.

I retried on 3.5 with factory settings. Markers are indeed selected on creation, and I can shift LMB to select multiple markers, indeed. But.... The other quirks are still there and I found even more 🙃

• can't box-select markers
• clicking a marker to select it does deselects keyframes, while clicking an already selected marker keeps the keyframes selected
• F2 only works with the mouse cursor hovering the footer of the editor. I guess that's because renaming acts on the selected element and animation editors consider by default you are acting on whatever object you have selected. But maybe renaming the selected object isn't the most obvious thing to to in an animation editor. I also notice you can't F2 rename data blocks like actions in the channel list, only objects (or bones).
• In the viewport, when Shift LMB to multiselect, it will keep the current selection if you click the void, so you don't lose your multiselection just because you missed an object. For markers, if you shift LMB the space between two markers, it will deselect everything, but not if you click the main area.
• The marker hitbox seems to cover the triangle and a few pixels on the text. But there's no clear limit to that hitbox, and it woulb make sense for me to be able to click anywhere on the triangle or the text to select a marker.
• The markers titles go up when selected or when the playhead is after a marker. That's one visual cue doing two different meanings. Maybe there should be a different way to distinguish selection and play state. Why not highlight in orange as most selection visual cues already does, and keep title movement for playstate?

I think the animation editors papercuts just ended so it's probably too late to send those there.

can't box-select markers

You have to have your cursor in the bottom marker area when you start your box. If it's in the keyframe area it won't select markers. That's not really that intuitive, so maybe it should be changed? It is consistent with most other marker actions though. Renaming, moving with G etc all require your mouse to be in the marker area.

clicking a marker to select it does deselects keyframes, while clicking an already selected marker keeps the keyframes selected

I just tried with factory settings and you're right. I think it worked with my settings because I have keyframe selection as RCS but marker selection is LCS so they don't interfere with each other. Sorry, I probably should have tested that before posting my original comment.

I agree with points 3, 4 and 5.

The markers titles go up when selected or when the playhead is after a marker.

I kinda get this honestly. In both cases, I think it pops up so that if you have a lot of markers stacked together the one you are on or have selected can be read. They are already visually differentiated by having the selected marker be a brighter white and having a filled in triangle. Also, you can already change its color to orange if you want in Themes>Dope Sheet>Marker Line Selected. Weirdly though, it seems you can only change the color of the line and not the triangle or text.

You have to have your cursor in the bottom marker area when you start your box.

On my side it doesn't work, it doesn't even draw a rectangle, it just deselects markers.

You're using 'B' to box select right?

Nope, LMB

That's probably your problem right there

No, I should be able to box select with LMB just as much as I am able everywhere else.

You can't box select with just LMB in places where LMB is used by another action. In this particular instance, LMB dragging is used for scrubbing the timeline and I'd rather have scrubbing than box select so I gotta agree with their choice on this one

Not in the marker area.

Ok agree to disagree I guess :)

Sure, but we are talking about facts here, not opinions. At least I am.

I guess you use Blender in RMB select? Because it has a very different keymap and is not the default factory setting.

With factory settings, you don't move the playhead by LMB dragging in the markers area, it will just deselect markers. In the main area, it does a box select. The only place where LMB dragging moves the playhead is the keyframes header. You can Shift RMB drag in the marker and main areas to move the playhead.

In fact, In RMB select, you can RMB drag in the markers area to select markers. Just as well as you can do it in the main area to select keys.
Another reason why LMB drag should be a thing in LMB selection.

You can use facts to help make your side of the debate stronger, but at the end of the day, the question of which way is "Better" is an opinion. In your opinion, the facts in favor of your argument outweigh the facts against it.

Yes I use RCS. Honestly even though I know RCS isn't the default setting, I thought most people used RCS since it was the default up until relatively recently and most blender users most likely started using it with RCS.

Either way, we are way outside the scope of the original proposal and I feel like if we continue this discussion it should be in a new proposal specifically for this topic.